Discuss Spreading the word about Miles' ideas and Discuss Scientifically proving conspiracy and historical facts.

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Let's discuss that here, if you all would like.

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On Dec. 15 I posted this post, which is a partial copy of Miles' article on the topic:
TERRAIN THEORY PSYOP - Miles Mathis Shows Good Evidence at https://covidandvaxfaqs.substack.com/p/terrain-theory-psyop

In comments under the post at https://covidandvaxfaqs.substack.com/p/terrain-theory-psyop/comments#comment-48937410 we discussed wanting to have better collaboration to make ideas like Miles' more publicly accessible. So I decided to come back here to see if now might be a good time to use this forum to seek better collaboration (after not using it for a long time).

I said there the following.
"I personally think the best hope for ending major corruption is "sociocracy", which I've discussed in a few substack posts. It's a holistic, humane form of group decision making. I'll try to put links to them in the thread I linked to above. I think sociocracy can end corruption everywhere, including in science, healthcare, government, finance etc. I'd like to help persuade RFK Jr to adopt sociocracy for his political campaign. I think sociocracy would also help us Miles' supporters to have better communication and have more influence on making Miles' and similar ideas publicly more accessible to help increase critical thinking in society."

Here are my posts on Sociocracy.
SOCIOCRACY FOR EQUALITY FOR ALL https://ilki.substack.com/p/sociocracy-for-equality-for-all
SOCIOCRACY FOR ALL - VIDEOS https://ilki.substack.com/p/sociocracy-for-all-videos
KEEP PSYCHOPATHS OUT OF POWER https://ilki.substack.com/p/keep-psychopaths-out-of-power

The first one might have the best info on how a group like this (Mathis supporters) can implement Sociocracy.

Michael · Gender: Location: Eastbourne Posts: 3

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RFK JR & THE RULING CLASS
_M: I really don't know about this one, my best guess is RFK is CONOP, they are too much part of the system to be anything else. Miles has said that there is in fighting in the top ranks so I don't he is at odds with you on that. I believe that are massively in competition with each other. However, they see all of us as cattle and they ain't letting many into the top ranks. Note, I don't say any, I think people can climb in, but it is far harder than suggested.
_L2: Do you know anyone who has personal knowledge of how people in the ruling class grow up and what their relationships with each other are like and how they think and what they want in life? Are they all brainwashed from infancy? Does Satan control them totally? Miles seems to think that his own conclusions are certain. I don't think so. Lestrade has written a lot of stuff about WW2 in the Pacific etc and I'm very certain that his findings on the Burma campaign are way wrong, because my Dad was in that campaign and he had lots of buddies that he spent a couple years with there and they had yearly reunions by the time he was in his 50s I think and some of my family, besides Mom and Dad, attended some of those reunions. Dad told me and the rest of the family many of his war stories over the years, since I was young. There were lots of errors that Lestrade made and I reported on a bunch of them on Daniel's forum. I imagine he was probably wrong about many of the other campaigns in WW2 as well, esp. since I read comments under videos from people whose close relatives and friends had been present during those campaigns.
_Miles' papers should be used for making scientific hypotheses to be tested, instead of regarding them as scientific facts. And I think Sociocracy is what would best improve science in order to make more scientific conclusions.

SCIENTIFIC SOCIOCRACY
_L1: I don't think Sociocracy would be easy for the ruling class to control and manipulate. Do you care to discuss your ideas on my forum that I linked above?
_M: Why not? They have controlled and manipulated the world for thousands of years.
_L2: You don't think the ruling class controls everything, do you? And they surely don't control everything completely, though they seem to control a lot of things in part. Even Miles sometimes claims they're losing control. I think Sociocracy can help make science free of unscientific control, thus making it more completely objective, instead of largely subjective as it is now.

SHIT POSTERS
_L1: I doubt if there's any way that spooks can be prevented from sneaking into discussions, although that could be discussed. It seems to me that it's not a big deal if spooks do sneak in. I think it shouldn't be hard to figure out if someone's ideas are sensible or not.
_M: I don't mind arguing with spooks though I ain't gonna waste my time, but having them shit post is just annoying and harms the forum. After all it is the reason I don't want to be on Daniel's anymore. So, if we can't agree on that I won't bother.
_L2: I don't think any of us laymen can tell a spook from anyone else. Josh and one or more others thought I was a spook on CTTF, partly because I didn't want to stick to their topics of discussion, which mostly bored me. Do you know how to tell if anyone is a spook? I don't trust "gut" reactions. I don't consider that scientific. Sociocracy would suggest something like having a group of 6 to 8 people involved in discussions, based on trusting each other enough to try it out. How about that? And the discussion could be posted for others to read but not get involved in directly, but maybe in a different thread. Right?

COLLABORATION
L2: If you'd like to help organize a small group for discussion, I'd appreciate help in doing that. You're welcome to link them to this thread. I can try to invite people from my substacks. If you favor a certain time and days for serious discussions, let me know. We could try a chat room or epad or something, if anyone prefers. I've had a few productive discussions that way.

Michael · Gender: Location: Eastbourne Posts: 3

RFK JR & THE RULING CLASS
_M: I really don't know about this one, my best guess is RFK is CONOP, they are too much part of the system to be anything else. Miles has said that there is in fighting in the top ranks so I don't he is at odds with you on that. I believe that are massively in competition with each other. However, they see all of us as cattle and they ain't letting many into the top ranks. Note, I don't say any, I think people can climb in, but it is far harder than suggested.

[i]L2 Do you know anyone who has personal knowledge of how people in the ruling class grow up and what their relationships with each other are like and how they think and what they want in life? Are they all brainwashed from infancy? Does Satan control them totally? Miles seems to think that his own conclusions are certain. I don't think so. Lestrade

I answered all your points in my original reply., but to your new questions for clarity. No, I don't know the ruling class that well, everyone is conditioned from infancy so yes to that extent they are "brainwashed" though I wouldn't use that term. Let's keep Satan out of it Miles never mentions him as part of their motivation.

Yes, Miles is very certain of himself. It is not a fine character trait and undermines his rigour. It seems that is never addressed any criticism even if it is proof. It does also annoy me that he never give anyone any credit and is willing to "steal" their ideas but gets offended when people do the same to him.

Lestrade isn't Miles. I don't read him. Though Miles does publish him, so any criticism of Lestrade is a stain on Miles, but since I don't read him I am not judging.

_Miles' papers should be used for making scientific hypotheses to be tested, instead of regarding them as scientific facts. And I think Sociocracy is what would best improve science in order to make more scientific conclusions.

Agreed with the testing, I think the scientific method and rigour are the way, but I don't know what sociocracy is. I actually think there is responsibility on the proposer to cite, be rigorous and do experiments to give his theory the proof it needs. But hey ho, it is just a boke sperging on the internet and give his finding away on a free / donation model so he can do what he likes. The proof is the hard bit and I am not sure I have the time or the skills to do it. I would say that is the frustrating thing about Miles and his fans that they do just accept and move on.

SCIENTIFIC SOCIOCRACY
_L2: You don't think the ruling class controls everything, do you? And they surely don't control everything completely, though they seem to control a lot of things in part. Even Miles sometimes claims they're losing control. I think Sociocracy can help make science free of unscientific control, thus making it more completely objective, instead of largely subjective as it is now.

I actually think the ruling class control everything that is important to them. This is one place where I think Miles doesn't go far enough. I think Gerry is the one pushing at the right door on this, but his stuff is very much a best guess and therefore can't be proved.

Therefore, I don't think sociocracy can really do much on that - but again don't know enough about it.

SHIT POSTERS
_L2: I don't think any of us laymen can tell a spook from anyone else. Josh and one or more others thought I was a spook on CTTF, partly because I didn't want to stick to their topics of discussion, which mostly bored me. Do you know how to tell if anyone is a spook? I don't trust "gut" reactions. I don't consider that scientific. And the discussion could be posted for others to read but not get involved in directly, but maybe in a different thread. Right?

I was probably a bit harsh. I do trust my gut, I think that is all we have for such things, but I don't really want to accuse people of being spooks I just want the obviously personal and anti Miles (when it goes too far - hard I know) taken down. Otherwise it is not a pro Miles forum and should say so on the tin. I don't think it is right to use someone's name and then just constantly slag them off, it is bad form.

Not staying on topic is a spook trick of diversion, but it can also, just, be sign of an disorderliness or other things. CTTF and its replacement and even Miles are great a not being orderly, so they should expect to attract disorderly guests. That just makes it harder work for spook, which is what frustrate me about a lot of those pointing finger, they have no higher ground to stand on.

Funny re Josh, he is a spook is he not?

Sociocracy would suggest something like having a group of 6 to 8 people involved in discussions, based on trusting each other enough to try it out. How about that?

Ah, got ya, that is fine as a discussion forum and format. I don't think it is or should be the basis for running a country, but I am not interested in running a country. I am interested in living a good / honourable life.

COLLABORATION
L2: If you'd like to help organize a small group for discussion, I'd appreciate help in doing that. You're welcome to link them to this thread. I can try to invite people from my substacks. If you favor a certain time and days for serious discussions, let me know. We could try a chat room or epad or something, if anyone prefers. I've had a few productive discussions that way.

I am not sure I know people that would be into that, but we can see where we go. To be honest, as much as I post I am not that rigorous myself and this is mainly entertainment. It is the fake events that I am most interested in but I am not sufficiently skilled at the research to really have much to contribute.

I hope I have coverd everything here.

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Did you say you read the new forum? If so, can you post a link to this discussion and invite readers to come here to discuss how to scientifically verify important conspiracy and historical facts? I think this is the right link:
https://mileswmathis.webboard.org/discuss-making-miles-ideas-etc-more-publicly-accessible-t4.html

Michael · Gender: Location: Eastbourne Posts: 3

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I got busy with some other things, but I think I also had trouble logging in there. I guess I can try to log in there again before long.

But now I lost the link. Now I found it at https://milesmathis.freeforums.net/, so I'll start a thread there.